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Far Madding's guardian (WH reread)
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Joshua Crawford
2013-04-30 16:18:14 UTC
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G'day all,

I figured before I read the new books, I should backtrack a bit. So, I just finished re-reading Winter's Heart.


I can't recall if we discussed this at the time, but what's the deal with Far Madding's guardian ter'angreal? It blocks the True Source, like a stedding. But it also detects it. Is the detection range larger than the blocking range? Because that isn't made clear in the book. It would seem to me the detection part should have gone unused all these thousands of years, until Nynaeve used her Well.

After Nynaeve does use the Well (during the execution, but oddly, not before when she tickled Rand to show off), the guards come running, the Counsel are upset, it must be an aberration. But earlier, when the guardian was introduced, Verin had calmly commented that a man had channelled, and does that happen often these days? No biggie, probably just an Asha'man, they can't hurt us.

So.. Why is it that an Asha'man can channel, triangulated in the city, and the Counsel think nothing of it, but when Nynaeve does, it's a major problem?


Verin's acting obviously secretive again. "All of you may call me Eadwina." Sure.. Do we end up finding out more about her past and her secret agenda? And Cadsuane too, for that matter, with her toothless wilder hermit instructor. Any other remarkable channellers turn up from Far Madding?


Someone mentioned peach poison in a recent thread, and it came up here also. Elayne's would-be assassin used gray fennel and peach-pit on the blade. Later, at the Forsaken staff meeting, Demandred muses that "peach is poison, here and now." So, in CBWL in the 3rd age, peach is poisonous. But not back in the AoL, and maybe not even over in Seanchan.


A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?

--bruce
Chucky @ Work
2013-05-02 07:53:34 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
G'day all,
I figured before I read the new books, I should
backtrack a bit. So, I just finished re-reading Winter's Heart.
Good man! Way to start on a tough one. So was Winter's Heart the last
one you'd read?
Post by Joshua Crawford
I can't recall if we discussed this at the time, but what's the
deal with Far Madding's guardian ter'angreal? It blocks the
True Source, like a stedding. But it also detects it. Is
the detection range larger than the blocking range?
I seem to recall there weer sort of two circles, one (the smaller)
within which there was no channeling, and then one (the wider) within
which the guardians would swing and traingulate and point at
channeling that was done.

Or I might be mixing that up in my head, and it was only triangulating
and pointing at the channeling that was done *inside* Far Madding
using the wells. So, only one stedding-like zone, and channeling
(however they manage to do it) within that was detected, sort of
double-security.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Because that isn't made clear in the book. It would seem to
me the detection part should have gone unused all these
thousands of years, until Nynaeve used her Well.
Yeah, if it was inside the single zone. If there are two zones, though
... I think there's more about this in later books?
Post by Joshua Crawford
After Nynaeve does use the Well (during the execution, but
oddly, not before when she tickled Rand to show off), the
guards come running, the Counsel are upset, it must be an
aberration. But earlier, when the guardian was introduced,
Verin had calmly commented that a man had channelled,
and does that happen often these days? No biggie,
probably just an Asha'man, they can't hurt us.
So.. Why is it that an Asha'man can channel, triangulated
in the city, and the Counsel think nothing of it, but when
Nynaeve does, it's a major problem?
Hmm.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Verin's acting obviously secretive again. "All of you may
call me Eadwina." Sure.. Do we end up finding out more
about her past and her secret agenda?
Well, pretty much, yeah. But if you haven't read that far, I won't
spoil it. It's actually pretty awesome.
Post by Joshua Crawford
And Cadsuane too, for that matter, with her toothless
wilder hermit instructor. Any other remarkable
channellers turn up from Far Madding?
Not that I recall.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Someone mentioned peach poison in a recent thread, and
it came up here also.
Yeah, it seems to be a little thing they wave around from time to
time.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Elayne's would-be assassin used gray fennel and peach-pit
on the blade.
Well yeah, but the pit is classically poisonous anyway, isn't it? In
the Wheel, though, it seems like the entire fruit is poisonous. Oh
right, you say.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Later, at the Forsaken staff meeting, Demandred muses that
"peach is poison, here and now."
Right. Interesting though.
Post by Joshua Crawford
So, in CBWL in the 3rd age, peach is poisonous. But not
back in the AoL, and maybe not even over in Seanchan.
Right.
Post by Joshua Crawford
A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one
with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
You're not narrowing it down much.





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Joshua Crawford
2013-05-02 13:12:08 UTC
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Post by Chucky @ Work
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
G'day all,
I figured before I read the new books, I should
backtrack a bit. So, I just finished re-reading Winter's Heart.
Good man! Way to start on a tough one. So was Winter's Heart the last
one you'd read?
I've got CoT on the bookshelf. I'm sure I must have read it, but don't remember much. I think I may have even read the KoD prologue. Not sure.
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
I can't recall if we discussed this at the time, but what's the
deal with Far Madding's guardian ter'angreal? It blocks the
True Source, like a stedding. But it also detects it. Is
the detection range larger than the blocking range?
I seem to recall there weer sort of two circles, one (the smaller)
within which there was no channeling, and then one (the wider) within
which the guardians would swing and traingulate and point at
channeling that was done.
There are two circles, but that's for saidin (wider area) and saidar (just the city). There was no mention of the detection radius.
Post by Chucky @ Work
Or I might be mixing that up in my head, and it was only triangulating
and pointing at the channeling that was done *inside* Far Madding
using the wells. So, only one stedding-like zone, and channeling
(however they manage to do it) within that was detected, sort of
double-security.
That's how it appears in the book.
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
Because that isn't made clear in the book. It would seem to
me the detection part should have gone unused all these
thousands of years, until Nynaeve used her Well.
Yeah, if it was inside the single zone. If there are two zones, though
... I think there's more about this in later books?
We'll see.
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
Verin's acting obviously secretive again. "All of you may
call me Eadwina." Sure.. Do we end up finding out more
about her past and her secret agenda?
Well, pretty much, yeah. But if you haven't read that far, I won't
spoil it. It's actually pretty awesome.
I'll look forward to it then.
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
And Cadsuane too, for that matter, with her toothless
wilder hermit instructor. Any other remarkable
channellers turn up from Far Madding?
Not that I recall.
Too bad.
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one
with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
You're not narrowing it down much.
That's not very encouraging.

--bruce
Chucky @ Work
2013-05-06 11:34:24 UTC
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On Thu, 2 May 2013 06:12:08 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
I can't recall if we discussed this at the time, but what's the
deal with Far Madding's guardian ter'angreal? It blocks the
True Source, like a stedding. But it also detects it. Is
the detection range larger than the blocking range?
I seem to recall there weer sort of two circles, one (the smaller)
within which there was no channeling, and then one (the wider) within
which the guardians would swing and traingulate and point at
channeling that was done.
There are two circles, but that's for saidin (wider area) and saidar (just the city). There was no mention of the detection radius.
Oh, huh. How about that. I forgot completely. I thought it was just
One Power, no differentiation. Neat.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Chucky @ Work
A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one
Post by Joshua Crawford
with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
You're not narrowing it down much.
That's not very encouraging.
Hee. Ghosts and weevils abound in the latter books. But there is still
a steady improvement.






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--
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http://stchucky.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/chow-a-dance-with-dragons/
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Joshua Crawford
2013-05-09 06:58:59 UTC
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Post by Chucky @ Work
On Thu, 2 May 2013 06:12:08 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one
Post by Joshua Crawford
with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
You're not narrowing it down much.
That's not very encouraging.
Hee. Ghosts and weevils abound in the latter books. But there is still
a steady improvement.
I've read CoT now. Rand rests, and the others get ready to do stuff in the next book(s). No wonder I don't really remember it. I'll start on KoD this weekend.

--bruce
Chucky @ Work
2013-05-10 07:50:32 UTC
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 23:58:59 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one
Post by Joshua Crawford
with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
You're not narrowing it down much.
That's not very encouraging.
Hee. Ghosts and weevils abound in the latter books. But there is still
a steady improvement.
I've read CoT now. Rand rests, and the others get ready to do stuff in the next book(s). No wonder I don't really remember it. I'll start on KoD this weekend.
I seem to recall Knife of Dreams is the last of the bad ones. One last
push!


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Joshua Crawford
2013-05-14 22:38:21 UTC
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 23:58:59 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Chucky @ Work
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
A few days break, then I'll read CoT. That was the one
Post by Joshua Crawford
with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
You're not narrowing it down much.
That's not very encouraging.
Hee. Ghosts and weevils abound in the latter books. But there is still
a steady improvement.
I've read CoT now. Rand rests, and the others get ready to do stuff in the next book(s). No wonder I don't really remember it. I'll start on KoD this weekend.
I seem to recall Knife of Dreams is the last of the bad ones. One last
push!
KoD wasn't too bad, actually. Resolution of some drawn-out plots and plenty of progress besides. Perrin rescued Faile; Elayne won Andor and found a bunch of Black Ajah; Rand caught Semirhage and lost a hand; Mat married his DotNM and figured out the cannon; Loial got married and is off to face the Great Stump; Galad killed Valda; Egwene gains popular support in the Tower; Nynaeve sends Lan off to resurrect Malkier; All sorts of Aes Sedai willing to work with Asha'man. Tarmon Gai'don draws near.

The trolloc attack was obviously those sent in the Ways by "Sammael." But who was it really?

Why's Taim still playing Taimendred at the end of the book? "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule" was previously said only by the the Forsaken.

--bruce
Aaron
2013-05-15 13:37:26 UTC
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Why's Taim still playing Taimendred at the end of the book? "Let the Lord of
Chaos Rule" was previously said only by the the Forsaken. --bruce
*wince*

Shh! There's no evidence to support Taimandred...none whatsoever! Can't you read what Chucky has said on the matter? Sheesh! ;D

-Aaron
Chucky @ Work
2013-05-17 06:12:00 UTC
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Shh! There's no evidence to support Taimandred...none whatsoever!
So ... after Winter's Heart, Jordan was still putting down Taimandred
red herrings. This is what you're saying?




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Aaron
2013-05-23 19:04:58 UTC
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Shh! There's no evidence to support Taimandred...none whatsoever!
So ... after Winter's Heart, Jordan was still putting down Taimandred
red herrings. This is what you're saying?
Nope. I suggest reading what I wrote ;P

Oh and what Bruce wrote.

IMO Using that phrase was either extremely clumsy, a mistake, or dickishness.

-Aaron
Chucky @ Work
2013-05-24 06:46:10 UTC
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Shh! There's no evidence to support Taimandred...none whatsoever!
So ... after Winter's Heart, Jordan was still putting down Taimandred
red herrings. This is what you're saying?
Nope. I suggest reading what I wrote ;P
Oh and what Bruce wrote.
IMO Using that phrase was either extremely clumsy, a mistake, or dickishness.
"evidence to support Taimandred"?

Yes. Yes it was.




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Aaron
2013-05-24 15:10:08 UTC
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Post by Aaron
Shh! There's no evidence to support Taimandred...none whatsoever!
So ... after Winter's Heart, Jordan was still putting down Taimandred
red herrings. This is what you're saying?
Nope. I suggest reading what I wrote ;P
Oh and what Bruce wrote.
IMO Using that phrase was either extremely clumsy, a mistake, or dickishness.
"evidence to support Taimandred"?
Yes. Yes it was.
Well, indeed. What were we arguing about again? I totally feel like I'm not paying attention.

Which is probably because I totally do not feel like paying attention.

-Aaron
Joshua Crawford
2013-05-30 08:04:46 UTC
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Post by Aaron
Why's Taim still playing Taimendred at the end of the book? "Let the Lord of
Chaos Rule" was previously said only by the the Forsaken. --bruce
*wince*
Shh! There's no evidence to support Taimandred...none whatsoever! Can't you read what Chucky has said on the matter? Sheesh! ;D
No, there isn't. 20-3. But I think when RJ got pissed off with people asking him about it, he deliberately trolled the taimandredders.

--bruce

Chucky @ Work
2013-05-17 06:10:54 UTC
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On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Joshua Crawford
Post by Joshua Crawford
Post by Chucky @ Work
I seem to recall Knife of Dreams is the last of the bad ones. One last
push!
KoD wasn't too bad, actually. Resolution of some drawn-out plots and plenty
of progress besides.
True.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Perrin rescued Faile;
Finally!
Post by Joshua Crawford
Elayne won Andor and found a bunch of Black Ajah;
Yeah, that was cool.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Rand caught Semirhage and lost a hand;
Ahh yes. That was ... abrupt.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Mat married his DotNM and figured out the cannon;
Finally!
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Loial got married and is off to face the Great Stump;
Yeah, what ever happened with that? Oh, well there is sort of a
pay-off coming which is pretty awesome. For Ogier, they work fast.
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Galad killed Valda;
Oh yeah.
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Egwene gains popular support in the Tower;
Actually, Egwene in the Tower - while it should have been some of the
most boring and painful plot threads ever written - was one of my
favourite threads in the story. It really was very readable.
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Nynaeve sends Lan off to resurrect Malkier;
Finally!
Post by Joshua Crawford
All sorts of Aes Sedai willing to work with Asha'man. Tarmon Gai'don draws near.
Woo.
Post by Joshua Crawford
The trolloc attack was obviously those sent in the Ways
by "Sammael." But who was it really?
Hmm.
Post by Joshua Crawford
Why's Taim still playing Taimendred at the end of the book?
"Let the Lord of Chaos Rule" was previously said only by the
the Forsaken.
I don't follow. You mean the phrase? By this stage of course we know
that (after Winter's Heart) Taim and Demandred are two separate people
and Taimandred, if it was ever a Thing, had been turned around ... so
what purpose would this have? I mean, aside from letting us know that
Taim and Demandred have spoken to each other?

I can't tell you much more about Taim without spoiling, so let's take
this up later.




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TB
2013-05-04 22:18:05 UTC
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Post by Joshua Crawford
G'day all,
I figured before I read the new books, I should backtrack a bit.  So, I just finished re-reading Winter's Heart.
I can't recall if we discussed this at the time, but what's the deal with Far Madding's guardian ter'angreal?  It blocks the True Source, like a stedding.  But it also detects it.  Is the detection range larger than the blocking range?  Because that isn't made clear in the book.  It would seem to me the detection part should have gone unused all these thousands of years, until Nynaeve used her Well.
After Nynaeve does use the Well (during the execution, but oddly, not before when she tickled Rand to show off), the guards come running, the Counsel are upset, it must be an aberration.  But earlier, when the guardian was introduced, Verin had calmly commented that a man had channelled, and does that happen often these days?  No biggie, probably just an Asha'man, they can't hurt us.
So.. Why is it that an Asha'man can channel, triangulated in the city, and the Counsel think nothing of it, but when Nynaeve does, it's a major problem?
Verin's acting obviously secretive again.  "All of you may call me Eadwina."  Sure..  Do we end up finding out more about her past and her secret agenda?  And Cadsuane too, for that matter, with her toothless wilder hermit instructor.  Any other remarkable channellers turn up from Far Madding?
Someone mentioned peach poison in a recent thread, and it came up here also.  Elayne's would-be assassin used gray fennel and peach-pit on the blade.  Later, at the Forsaken staff meeting, Demandred muses that "peach is poison, here and now."  So, in CBWL in the 3rd age, peach is poisonous.  But not back in the AoL, and maybe not even over in Seanchan.
A few days break, then I'll read CoT.  That was the one with the ghosts and weevils, wasn't it?
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Chucky @ Work
2013-05-06 11:35:50 UTC
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During Rand's meeting with Seanchan Empress Fortuona, he makes the
peach trees in her garden blossom. Could this passage be an
indication that Seanchan peaches are wholesome?
Or just that they have the trees because they're pretty and expensive
and stuff, and they don't eat them just because they're growing in the
garden.

It was Elayne's garden anyway really, wasn't it? It was in the palace
garden in Caemlyn, so they'd be Andoran peaches, not Seanchan.




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--
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Cassie
2013-05-26 18:46:16 UTC
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During Rand's meeting with Seanchan Empress Fortuona, he makes the
peach trees in her garden blossom. Could this passage be an
indication that Seanchan peaches are wholesome?
Or just that they have the trees because they're pretty and expensive
and stuff, and they don't eat them just because they're growing in the
garden.
It was Elayne's garden anyway really, wasn't it? It was in the palace
garden in Caemlyn, so they'd be Andoran peaches, not Seanchan.
It was indeed in Ceamlyn, if I recall correctly just before the s*** hit
the fan?

Cassie
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