Post by AaronPost by AaronPost by Chucky & JanicaPost by SteveAnyone else finish DoD yet?
Janica's still working on it, then it's my turn. In the meantime,
plenty of people over in alt.fan.grrm have finished it.
C&J
Holy shit! I'm about 100 pages out from the end, enjoying the
Taimandred moments, where GRRM gives a big "fuck you" to some major
fan theories. Or at least, seemingly does. Those of you who have
finished the book know what I'm talking about. I still know nothing.
-Aaron
Geez...hurry up and finish then we can discuss!
Steve
Done. So, let's discuss. I guess. I don't really have a lot to say,
except that he damn well better not take a decade to write the next
book!
-Aaron
That and he needs to move the plot along and not get bogged down like Jordan
did. Lot's of new characters to add to the plot, some of which were in the
background, brought forth in this book and quickly killed off (ie one prince
of Dorne).
Yeah, that was stupid. All the Mereen shit was pissing me off, but
he's clearly got a big change coming soon, there.
Post by AaronAnd now we have a new Targaryan to follow.
Well, I LIKE that bit. Dead baby isn't dead. Woot. Again cuz Dany was
starting to piss me off.
Post by AaronI have to go back and re-read Milisandre's "seeings" to see what really
happens with Jon (I don't think he is dead).
I didn't notice anything having to do with his getting stabbed in
particular, but she did always tell him to keep Ghost near.
"knives in the dark", etc. still need to go back and review.
I thought she meant for protection. If she meant so he can turn into a
warg, I'm gonna be pissed. Lame. Fake and gay. And not the nice gay.
Or the general sexual orientation gay. Like, 250 lb bodybuilder
sexually assaulting you in the locker room gay.
I'd rather he be an Other than that. I'd more rather she resurrect him
or summat.
Post by AaronI also have some thoughts
about who his true mother may be....we've already been given quite a few red
herrings.
Do tell. All I have are the red herrings. I didn't get any more ideas
from this book, but I may have not been paying enough attention.
In fact, I didn't know there were multiple red herrings...just the
one. Can't even remember who it was. One of the Targaryens, right?
Ned Stark had a Dayne lover who committed suicide after delivery of a still
born daughter. Maybe dead baby, maybe not..maybe girl, maybe not. = one
red herring.
Maester apprentice talking to Sam at the tower about he and Jon being milk
brothers (or whatever the term is) and that Jon was the son of some serving
maid or other. Maybe Lady Dayne's maid or maybe not. Or just another red
herring.
Personally, I think that Rhaenar Targaryan raped Stark's sister and Jon is
the result. I don't remember anywhere stating how Ned's sister dies, only
that she was abducted by Targaryan which kicked off a war (the face that
launched a thousand knights). Ned wants to keep his sister's rep intact.
They kept talking about how Ned's sister was crowned queen of beauty and
abducted and what kicked off the war, etc, etc in this book (a lot). But
if you have some other thoughts....
Post by AaronDany needs to get off her ass and move out of Mereen. This is
taking too long to wrap up. But at least she's a dragon rider now.
Yeah, I'll give him that one since he clearly is on the verge of
moving that plot line, quickly.
Tyrion was a great pleasure to read, but damn if he didn't go ANYWHERE
the whole story. Just revealed different POVs to important plot
points.
Loved Varys at the end. The spider has some venom! He's a Targaryen
too, right? Something like that, IIRC. Glad he had at least a cameo.
Yes. He's been planning this with our fat friend in Pentos for a very long
time. Even to the point of using Viserys and Dany as decoys....who would
have thought Aegon 6 was still alive. Now he's taken a more active role.
Loved it.
Post by AaronWho's head is on Clegane's old body?
Hunh. I thought they might have used a different head for the gift,
but your idea makes more sense. I think. We haven't been given enough
of the rules about zombies to know what's legit and what's not.
Could it be Tywin's head? ;D
Or maybe no head at all. Qyburn wanted to experiment with death.....
They said he never removes helm or armor anyway, so it could be any
head.
As the Dornish said, though, if another 8 foot tall knight is running
around, they'll know they were betrayed. Well...
Post by AaronI know we have a FrankenMaester on the
loose, but I hope this side story doesn't detract from the main one.
I think you mean a Qyborg. A Mountainstein. But there certainly is a
"Frankenstein's Maester" =D
LOL
I'm sure it won't be too much of a distraction. I'm waiting for the
dragon to destroy him like he were, I dunno, a gangly loser nicknamed
"Frog".
Post by AaronAt work right now, so I'll think up some other points later. Feel free to
talk about your favorite "Taimandred moments."
Jon was one, as I was kinda digging him gettin' some from Dany. Maybe
he can still do it as an Other. Or as Ghost ;D
I like how Dany has kind of lost control of her dragons. Aegon was
another moment, although we weren't really thinking he would be alive
because there were no hints.
Good trick about Rattleshirt and Rayder.
Sleight of hand.
And what do you think of the end? That note from Ramsay? Is he lying?
Probably. He must have gotten more from Rayder's female accomplices than I
would have thought. Again, don't know if we should believe Mance and
Stannis are really dead or just some lies to lure Jon into a trap.
What's with the specific information? Because, it was Mance Rayder
killing all those inside Winterfell, right?
Yes.
Why did the capture and
all that happen off-screen, not to mention the battle? What is going
on there?
Set up for the next book. Should be interesting to find out what really
happened. We have traitorous Karstarks in Stannis' camp and White Harbor
Stark supportors in Bolton camp. However, we have a banker arriving in the
Stannis camp with info regarding the Karstarks. So how did this all play
out. And if Bolton really won, why didn't he get his hands on his bride?
Also, forgot I liked how the junior Starks are developing (with the
exception of the youngest son whose character is pointless).
sk
-Aaron
PS - I hope you can follow my thread. This news reader doesn't auto-indent.